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August 8, 2008
I found the passage which troubled the inquirer:
So what does the author mean by 'opposition to and domination of the forces of nature'? Does it mean Setians have no appreciation of 'nature' or cannot enjoy a rural 'back to Nature' lifestyle?
I do not see the Temple's philosophy as being isolated from 'Nature'. Many Temple members are members of the 'Arkte'
element, which is concerned with our kinship to animals, that a part of Set's gift (the gift of consciousness) went to them. They have a sentience all
their own. Some, out of understanding animals' consciousness as having some similarities with our own, have chosen a
vegetarian lifestyle. (I am one who has, after an epiphany with a pig. I saw the pig napping in a pen at the Yuma County Fair. He had such a big grin on his face, he was enjoying his nap as much as I do. After that, I could no longer eat meat.) Arkte warriors fight for the cause of animals in whatever way they can, working to eliminate abuse of them. So certainly enjoying our animal companions is part of this.
I smile as you ask if one can be a Setian and "still enjoy being around plants, flowers, wild animals, and all that..." For where did I go on my recent vacation, but to enjoy the wonders of nature! After twenty one years living in Arizona, I finally saw the Grand Canyon. I enjoyed the diverse flora and fauna of northern Arizona greatly.
The following is my own raw understanding. I understand the realm of Horus to be more that of the community. I see the
realm of Set as that 'which is apart'. In ancient understandings, Set never lost his rule of the deserts. This quote is
from _Seth, God of Confusion_ by TeVelde:
"In the temple of Deir el Hagar in the oasis of Dakhle,
Vespasian offers flowers to Seth and Nephthys. 3) As far as we know,
the depiction of Seth in such a positive role in a Roman temple,
after the commencement of our era, is unique. That this unique
instance is found outside Egypt proper, is no accident. The desert
with its oases, and more generally the foreign country that surrounds
the home country and merges into chaos, is the territory
where Seth is at home. It is not inconceivable that Egyptian priests
who had long ceased to worship Seth in Egypt, had no objection to
his adoration in more distant parts. He who is in the area where
a god has power, must find a modus vivendi." (Page 116)
The desert has a unique aspect for those who can appreciate it.
"'Pastoral life, solitude, and pure time facilitate the revelation that, as we know, is produced in the desert,'write Josy
Eisenberg and Armand Abecassis." (from _On Being Pagan_ by Alain de Benoist, page 150)
The desert is not as 'dead or inanimate' as some might think.
I think of that old song by the group "America":
In the remote regions, away from the distractions of the cities, our focus turns inward. As Set represents 'rulership in the inner world', we withdraw to our inner world, and our higher self to find the font of divinity within.
Now back to that 'general information letter' at xeper.org, where you might be getting this 'anti-nature' idea. What does the author mean by 'opposition to and domination of the forces of nature'?
It's funny, I do a search for 'forces of nature' and come to the National Geographic site, which lists 'volcanos, hurricanes, earthquakes and tornados' as representing the 'forces of nature'. Oddly, as Set later became associated with the Greek Typhoon, seen as 'Set-Typhoon', just such 'force' was seen to be of his nature.
Hmmmm, next I do a search for 'state of nature', where I find it defined
I'm turning up a wild diversity of meanings. Hmmm, 'nature-worship' at Wiki leads to this:
Umm, this is getting very complicated! 'UFO religion', I've heard of only one of those, whose adherants consider themselves a sort of 'scientist'. Hmmm. Setianism isn't a 'UFO religion'. So just what DID the author of that passage that so troubles you have in mind?
Perhaps it something similar to what Evola was referring in this passage on 'Neo Pagans':
Evola's got many dissentors. There's a long list of accusations against him, "anti-liberal" being among them. Does he misunderstand the motivations of modern Pagans? At the very least, he does make sweeping generalizations. Alain de Benoist who is a very literate spokesman for Pagans certainly doesn't think Paganism is a lazy path, but rather encourages "everything that can allow a man to surpass himself." However, Evola's passage does highlight what the Setian author was speaking about. As best as I can understand Evola, he is speaking of a reaction to Christianity, and its concept of 'sin'. To him, such people are not on an initiatory path to better themselves, but to seek indulgence, 'eat, drink and be merry' sort of thing, riding on those currents of "semi-rational stimulus and response". 'Doing what comes naturally' comes to mind. But this is not the path of initiation. To evolve oneself into a more refined state of being takes effort. To succumb to 'nature', one goes the path of least resistence. The Setian opposition is to this 'path of least resistence'.
So therefore, it is not opposition to 'Nature'.
The following is from Wikipedia:
'The scientist does not study nature because it is useful; he studies it because he delights in it, and he delights in it
because it is beautiful. If nature were not beautiful, it would not be worth knowing, and if nature were not worth knowing, life would not be worth living. Of course I do not here speak of that beauty which strikes the senses, the beauty of qualities and of appearance; not that I undervalue such beauty, far from it, but it has nothing to do with science; I mean that profounder beauty which comes from the harmonious order of the parts and which a pure intelligence can grasp.[70]'" ^ (Poincaré, Jules Henri (1913). The foundations of science; Science and hypothesis, The value of science, Science and method. New York: The Science Press, pp. 366-7)
'Of which a pure intelligence can grasp', here he places this appreciation of nature into the realm of consciousness. It is with our consciousness that we know the beauty of nature. We return to our consciousness, our PSYCHE, and it is from this that all is known. Thus the roots of true 'nature' appreciation return to our consciousness. Psyche-worshipping is consciousness worshipping. Apart from a consciousness to give it meaning, 'nature' has no meaning. (The various critters in 'nature', to the extent of the consciousness they possess, do give it meaning. As I mentioned earlier, animals do have some of the 'Gift of Set', the gift of conscious awareness.)
I hope I've added some insight to this confusing question.
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